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Kannada Wikipedia Meet

02 Apr 2006

Today, I attended the Kannada Wikipedia Meet after reading a mention of it in today's edition of the Deccan Herald.

Unfortunately, I was late and missed the keynote speech by U R Ananthamurthy. When I came in, Professor G Venkatasubbiah had just started talking about 'Kannada on Encyclopedia'.

The professor explained about the importance of an encyclopedia and how a world-editable encyclopedia such as Wikipedia is invaluable. he quoted the example of an assistant advocate general who was a close confidante of JFK, but he was incorrectly referred to as being "suspected of being involved in the assassination of JFK" in one of the leading encyclopedias. This person was aghast on reading that and it took nearly a decade to finally get it corrected, and the best part is that nobody knew who actually wrote the original sentence. Such kind of problems can be avoided using Wikipedia.

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He compared how he bought an English encyclopedia in 1971 which was 30-volume set of books compared to the easy access of a free Wikipedia which is online and easily searchable. The remarkable thing about the collaborative effort behind Wikipedia is that each person knows a little bit of everything, and when you combine knowledge of a few people, everybody benefits. It reminded me of George Bernard Shaw's words - "If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas."

He talked about phonetics, about evolution of Kannada language, the importance of using "standard language" in the wikipedia, about scientific knowledge in Kannada, how the English technical terms "do not pollute Kannada, only enrich it".

He talked about how Alankar, a poet of yore, explained the virtues a good poem - it should be good to hear, it should have a good consequence, and the common man must understand it. He exhorted the Kannada Wikipedia community to strive for these aspects.

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Next was a humorous talk was by Nagesh Hegde on writing about science and technology in kannada. He started off by explaining the richness of science knowledge in Kannada. For example, Dr. Shivram Karanth (who called himself 'the science postman') wrote about carbon dating in one of his Kannada novels.

Mr. Hegde then joked that bluetooth and other technologies were not coming in through "kannaDa da kiTaki" but through Windows of English. He explained that it was not always right to convert the terminology to Kannada. For example, antenna being explained as "juTTu" is just silly.

There are various terminologies associated with each field - from the words a coconut tree climber uses to describe parts of the tree, to doctors who have nearly 2500 special words to describe parts of the heart. Though such terminologies may not be needed for the common man. Just talking about the topics that appear in channels such as BBC or CNN who have stories explaining technology to the common man in plain English, and explaining it in Kannada in similar nature should be of enormous benefit. Maybe one day people might look up words they do not understand in the Kannada wikipedia and learn all about it.

It is important to explain people using an approach they would understand. He cited the example of an article in one of the science magazines which talked about the story of Prometheus:

Zeus had Prometheus carried to Mount Caucasus, where an eagle by the name of Ethon (offspring of the monsters Typhon and Echidna) would eat out his liver; it would grow back each day and the eagle would eat it again. This punishment was to last 30,000 years.

The article quoted this mythological story to explain that it is actually true that the liver can regrow and gave more details about it.

Similarly, an article on quantum physics explained electrons jumping levels by comparing it to pigeons jumping on tree branches because they get excited.

It is important to explain such scientific articles in ways that the common man can understand, but it is equally important to have correct meaning, and the article should not give false analogies that could lead to misunderstandings.

The next talk was on Unicode by Hari Prasad Nadig and Sunil Jaiprakash. They explained what Wikipedia is, explained how to use Baraha on Windows, how to enable the Unicode option in it, how to write in Kannada, and the ways of using different keyboard layouts, about installing Kannada fonts on Linux and about installing SCIM to be able to write in Kannada on Linux.

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This was followed by a talk on how wikis work by Ramakrishna Reddy. He explained the special nature of wikis such as linking content to the contributor and how it gives the user the power to contribute, about democratic decision making, and about feeding the naturally curious (by way of an interlinked wiki).

This was followed by a talk on how to use the MediaWiki software by Hari Prasad Nadig. He explained the concept of logging in vs anonymous editing, the wiki syntax, how to create an offline copy to run on your own computer, the concept of revisions to see the contributions and changes by each user, using the toolbar provided above the edit box, etc.

The talks gave a broad overview to the audience on the importance of the Kannada Wikipedia, how to get started with Kannada on computers, the concept of a wiki, and how people can contribute themselves. Unfortunately, the latter talks got too technical in nature, and did not have any flow. It would have been probably better if they had got a newbie from the audience to follow their instructions to go about editing the Wikipedia. This might have convinced the 100+ non-technical audience that it is actually easy to contribute. Nevertheless, the conference was useful for persons who did not know about these topics before, which was the main intent.

Note : The Kannada Wikipedia is located at http://kn.wikipedia.org

Comments

v.v. says:

You write: '[Professor G. Venkatasubbiah]quoted the example of an assistant advocate general who was a close confidante of JFK, but he was incorrectly referred to as being “suspected of being involved in the assassination of JFK� in one of the leading encyclopedias. This person was aghast on reading that and it took nearly a decade to finally get it corrected, and the best part is that nobody knew who actually wrote the original sentence. Such kind of problems can be avoided using Wikipedia.'

I am not sure whether you misquoted the Professor or not. But, the Professor as quoted here is not correct. It is the Wikipedia which got the facts incorrect. And it definitely did not take a decade to get it corrected.

Here is the Wikipedia entry on this episode: `http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Seigenthaler_Sr._Wikipedia_biography_controversy`

This episode was covered quite extensively by the US media.

If you got this wrong that's understandable. But, if the good Professor got it wrong, I have to wonder whether this was intentional or not.

Regards,

V.V.

hpnadig says:

Thanks for the nice write-up! I missed some part of URA's speech and most of Prof. G V's speech in all the uproar of arrangement. Your write-up covered them up for me :)

Yeah, most of us felt that the latter talks went too technical, as well. Most of it owing to lack of preparation - many of us had been awfully busy even until the last day before the event. I agree that we could've made it more simpler for the non-technical audience.

And maybe it was a bad idea to include the talk about Wiki technology. But someday they'll have to hear those words, anyway ;)

Madhooo says:

Swaroop, since u attended this meet, I think it would be appropriate to ask you this question.

How do blog in kannada?
I have win 2000. I have installed baraha. I am able to write in kannada using baraha in a file. But I am not able to read any of the kannada websites as they appear like chinese.:) I have looked into several web sites about this. One option is to insert teh Win 2K cd and install the language. But it is not feasible for me coz I dont have the win 2k cd.
Any solution?

Swaroop says:

@Nadig : Yep, I guess the talks were a little too fast paced for people who are not used to using even the control panel :-), but people did write down stuff, and I sure hope more common people do see the value in a Kannada Wikipedia.

@Madhooo : According to the notes I wrote down, you have to have the Win2K CD to be able to install Unicode support. I don't know if there's a way without the CD. More details at http://sampada.net/fonthelp#windows_2000

Vineetha says:

Good write-up.I wish I had attended that meet!
The whole idea of Wiki in Kannada, I'm sure, will spice-up wiki for all kannadigas!:)

Swaroop says:

@V.V. : I distinctly remember him saying that it took a long time for the person to get it corrected, but now I'm not sure whether the correction was in a traditional encyclopedia or if it was on Wikipedia.

hpn says:

@V.V: Its just that Swaroop has quoted him wrong here. The Professor only tried to say that nothing of that sort should happen on Kannada Wikipedia.

I'll soon be putting Video of the event online. You can check it on that. :)

- hp

Sharath says:

Hi Guys,

If you need help in either posting to kannada wikipedia on a Linux machine, just mail me at sharath_48105@yahoo.com.

Linux pretty much has out of the box support for kannada and I will
be glad to help you in anyway possible.

Regards,
Sharath

Vijayalakshmi says:

Swaroop, was just browsing through the net for 'IT terminologies in Kannada' when I found this page. If you are aware of the Kannada Encyclopedia of Information Technology that the Mysore University is going to come out with, contribute to that if possible.

Regards,
Vijayalakshmi

Shailesh says:

Hi,

I noticed your question about trying to blog in kannada. Just go to any blog. And whatever you want to write... type it in this box here:
http://quillpad.in/kannada/

You'll get the stuff out in Kannada.
Just retype it in the type box of your blog page. You're done!

Please do extensively blog in Kannada.
All the best!

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